I think this is a graceless exit for the old Undertow.

The feeling that the few hundred tows are a world-wide group of caring acquaintances of various denonominations & opinions will be lost. The privileged feeling, the direct access, the informal exchange of mail: limited now by the rather difficult decision: where to post? Ah, this thread already has 489 mails, so it's useless to add one. "Your search found 41 posts on 14 pages in 5 topics." You bet. What time is it?

Has "interaction" replaced mingling? I'll miss off-topic remarks, surprise announcements of weddings, concerts and trivia and being almost forced to know who prefers what drink, whether fish pee or Junior sucks, birtdays-dates will escape attention, silly remarks and spontaneus outbursts will be relegated to "miscellaneous" or altogether removed (I for one prefer an offensive mail to a removed one).

The message window is small. Thinking takes longer. Cool...

All this being said, "vive l'Undertow" and big thanks to John, Eric, and all the others in the inaccessible Administration... :-) and even larger congratulations for the result -

best,

vlad

Ciao Vlad
I completely agree with you. that special feeling of being a small group of priviledged people has now gone...
Let's try and see what happens now
Barbara

Hi Vlad,

You have the consolation of knowing that you were the last person to post on the old 'Tow - at least your message was the last one I received.

Your reply to Chris Brauner about 'Miriam - ThE bLeEpY oNe' arrived here a whole four minutes after Eric's 'This is the last message from this list' message.

How I chuckled.

Chris

Wrote Christopher Smith (Chris) on Friday, April 25, 2003 - 4:29 pm:

>Your reply to Chris Brauner about 'Miriam - ThE bLeEpY oNe' arrived >here a whole four minutes after Eric's 'This is the last message from >this list' message.

I suppose it wouldn't help for me to point out that I *didn't* receive that message (and a good many others), thanks to the Majordomo listserv's frequent habit of sending messages to only selected portions of the entire list.

Any other complaints aside, we can hope this mailer will at least be more reliable -- and even if it isn't, at least it'll be easier to track down any messages you've missed, rather than begging for them to be resent

-- Dave H.

(Champion of Compromise)

Chris Smith wrote:
<quote> Your (vlad's) reply to Chris Brauner about 'Miriam - ThE bLeEpY oNe' arrived here a whole four minutes after Eric's 'This is the last message from this list' message.<end>

Yeah I forgot about it.

In the_very_last_undertow_post vlad wrote:
<quote> Chris Brauner wrote:

> Guess who's showed up on todays chat.
> The One And Only - Miriam ThE bLeEpY oNe

hallo back... should wink herself. Hope she's well!

best,

vlad
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Yes, she's fine. Still at that jupiterian school of art or whatever it is - having fun with sculpturing, painting, writing, etc. As some of you remember, she went there mainly to become better guitarist, but she's quit that - I tried to convince her but nothing worked
BTW it's possible that she'll be present on the next Towie chat.

chrisb (who's still in a sad mood)

song of the day: Concrete Blonde - "Everybody Knows"

said chris s: How I chuckled.
I won't ask HOW you chuckled.
Chris b's sotd says it all: Cohen by Blonde. Bah. I mean, how nice.

No breakfast mails from tows. No news I could've lived without. No protest this is OT. No background info-noise. No chance to add to the subjectline. etc.

Good design imo (not too easy, not too complcated, very media-didactic, open-ended). Great work, fwiw.

Hallo, pixeltows!

best resolution,

vlad

Barbara and all

Time goes on, things change and we do too. When I logged on the Net in 1993 there was no Internet in Greece for anybody who was not ina university... now there are gazilions of users... so what, don't go back to the old days too much or you will become a ghost of the past... who said that, can't remember....

Live for today, love the world

Christos
Chania, Crete, Greece

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Tired of Sleeping

I only said, let's see what happens...that is all, but I think we were so used to the small group of towies that this is a very big change to swallow without having known anything in advance. For me, I am still feeling something strange inside myself, but life is changing and changing is life, so, let's see.
For Suzy: why aren't you coming in Italy? Any particular reason? I would love to come to another one of your shows, but it is so expensive to take a flight these days...I do not think many of us Italian guys can afford to buy a ticket to come and listen to you elsewhere out of Italy. and this means that we cannot meet you, cannot feel that great feeling of having you in front of us singing for us, you with your voice, your guitar, your deep words, your powerful notes, your mind and your heart....Why are we Italian towies excluded?

Greetings, all! I'm new to Undertow, although I checked out the old board from time to time I never posted. Been a big fan of Suzanne's since high school..."Solitude Standing" got me through most of my adolesence, and is still an album I play frequently!
It sounds like many are reacting to changes from the previous board. I don't know if it helps, but I post to another board that is of a very similar design to this one, and I have to say that it feels like the homey, tight community many of you are reflecting on. So I hope this place becomes that kind of place for you, and I'm looking forward to getting to know you through this board!

Peace,
Tym

Ciao Barbara & all the others!
I know EXACTLY what you mean Barbara, I had the same (or worse?) feeling when I read Eric's so-called "last" Undertow email! Like the ground slipped away from under my feet... And that feeling went on for a couple of days...But then I saw emails filling in my account again, almost as before (except I had forgot to subscribe to this TOw Lounge forum! ) and tried replying and it's not that difficult......

And you still get the OT, the background info-noise, the news you could live without (if you subscribe to all the topics & threads, including OT and those you consider info-noise and news-you-can-live-without .....) no, you can't change the subject line, though....

But if you take the time to surf the boards every now and then you can mess around with these wonderful smilies and I bet it won't be long before people start making up their own etc....

Protests....yes, you might miss the "turn off HTML" and "will you please unsubscribe me" protests.... but you'll get the new "how do I reply" and "how do I get messages via email" and "how do I put in an active link" etc. ones!!

So...I think that's not as bad as I thought, not at all, I'm enjoying it and the new Undertow talk actually !
Hope you will feel like this too soon, Barbara, and the others who don't feel comfortable here yet!

And yes, please Suzanne, let us know if you will come to Italy after all, or if we can just relax and forget about it for this year!

Miki

"...these words are too solid
they don't move fast enough
to catch the blur in the brain..."

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quote:

Protests....yes, you might miss the "turn off HTML" and "will you please unsubscribe me" protests.... but you'll get the new "how do I reply" and "how do I get messages via email" and "how do I put in an active link" etc. ones!!

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ooooo -- thought of another one: "how can i get the e-mail notification as a digest?" ;)

I suppose it wouldn't help for me to point out that I *didn't* receive that message (and a good many others), thanks to the Majordomo listserv's frequent habit of sending messages to only selected portions of the entire list.

Well.. perhaps someone will get your copy of the mail... I liked the way the server did things.. swirling, as if it's really a sea, taking and giving, or a living being, quite erratic.

But other forums have active user communities as well. Take a look at the userfriendly forum: quite a popular site, and an active community of say, a 100? And even if it's more than the 400 or so of the mailing list: The more the merrier!

Hmm.. new user question: how do I quote? (I know, it's probably not implemented (yet?)).

Alecks (from Rotterdam)
(Yet another question: a .sig line option...)