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world is not words and it's meaning

Last post Sat, May 17 2008, 9:54 PM by cantabile. 5 replies.
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  • world is not words and it's meaning
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     Mon, Apr 14 2008, 8:59 PM

    World is not the same what words are. We are looking for meanings constantly. Is it right? What if the world has no meaning, like classical music, like sound of guitar. You just listen to it and let the sounds float. In my opinion transformation in Suzanne’s music started back to “Penitent”, the opening song of “Songs in Read and Gray”. This is the messenger of new approach, of new quality in her songs. To me there is big difference between earlier songs and songs now. Present songs of Suzanne have more social, spiritual meaning than they had before, they are less “wild”. “There feeling in the pipeline” - that was true then and is true now, but the weight of messages changed. There are more intellectual states, there is more meanings, less shots of images in her songs, more as to speak verbs than objects. I remember that Suzanne said once in an interview that if she would like to give message she would write pamphlet or something like that. But she found way to say messages in art more then before. She’s found balance between being intellectual, spiritual without hiding meaning behind “half expression”, “half images”, she is more a teacher than searcher. You may disagree but it seems to me that art. is at some level story without meaning like as I said music is. My impression is that Suzanne is now more aware of social issues than ever she was. Maybe that is motherhood or just sort of finding intellectual peace, end of the rebel and the beginning of passing by intellectual and spiritual ideas in more straightforward manner.

    Be well,

    Anna Maria K.


    "like a shadow, I am and I am not"
  • Re: world is not words and it's meaning
    22969 in reply to 22959

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     Tue, Apr 15 2008, 8:11 AM

    just some ideas: i believe we are always looking for expression, whether or not informed by meaning. art is a form of expression and we tend to invest meaning into it and attach a message to it, because it makes us feel closer to whatever is being expressed.

    the search for truthful expression and the freedom it represents are at the core of suzanne's work. articulating an inner world more at first, and then an outer world, but both from the inside out. the stance is the same, only the ring of expression is wider. "99.9F degrees", the album, is the mirror of this desire for largesse, and the song "unbound" the perfect expression of its freedom.

     


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  • Re: world is not words and it's meaning
    23746 in reply to 22969

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     Mon, May 12 2008, 2:31 PM
    another idea: if any of you were to ask me which of suzanne's albums is the more spiritual, my answer would promptly be "days of open hand". the query and the quest at its heart is epitomized in "pilgrimage". the march started way back (in "the marching dream") and it has continued further and farther.
     
    but never like in "days of open hand", as a whole, and as i feel it, has suzanne been so open-hearted (the title alone says it all), so soul-searching, so vulnerable and yet so determined in her (spiritual) journey "toward a source".
     
     

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  • Re: world is not words and it's meaning
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     Mon, May 12 2008, 6:14 PM

    Considering words as something material it is beyond all doubts that words are not world – or world is not words. Looking for a meaning of word “spiritual “ itself I came to conclusion that maybe the core of this word is relation to immaterial world and higher consciousness. In that meaning “Days of open Hand “ is the most spiritual album, I agree. Maybe the feel of spirituality came from self-doubting, lack of self-confidence and feel of immaterial (spiritual as a matter of fact) suffering – “Rusted pipe” as an example for that. Here we have “open hand” the most vulnerable, as you said, and defenceless as it seems to me. Many years later we have in Suzanne’s song “fist against eternity”. This is not longer the “open hand”. This is the history of one life, spoken and sung and played. I remember Suzanne said in one interview that she would like to leave music on "open hand" to someoone else - maybe not exact words, but this is how I understood her words. And here I said big "no" - maybe just music on "Open of Open Hand" is the most spiritual experience ever.


    "like a shadow, I am and I am not"
  • Re: world is not words and it's meaning
    23811 in reply to 23754

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     Tue, May 13 2008, 2:20 PM

    since suzanne never really liked how the music turned out on "days of open hand", she would probably say the opposite of what you do at the end of your post and actually not agree with me at all. but i sense this album as a whole, as i said before, not divided into words and music, and as that it is truly an experience.

    what i've been trying to say is that spirituality has always been there in suzanne's work. whatever drives its expression has changed over the years as the story and history of a particular life unfolded. and what you see as complete opposites, the "open hand" and the "fist against eternity", i feel as manifestations of the same desire: that her music (the whole of it) would leave a mark on someone and possibly on the world, as a legacy that is passed on hand by hand (therefore the image of leaving her music on someone else's "open hand").

     


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  • Re: world is not words and it's meaning
    24019 in reply to 22959

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     Sat, May 17 2008, 9:54 PM

    anku > Well, it's just about your first foursentences: I'd say I can't imagine a world without meaning, and still less music without meaning. There's so much history behind each possible chord or even a single note...

    On the other hand, I'd say a meaningless but living entity would be a god, that would need nothing to be but itself. I can't even figure out what that would be. I can just put it in words, precisely :-)

     

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