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Last post Sat, Dec 29 2007, 10:29 AM by anku. 55 replies.
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  • Re: Anniversary
    19002 in reply to 18776

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     Tue, Jul 17 2007, 6:52 PM
    Whenever a song is remixed or musically enhanced, the results will always create a disparity of opinions. I basically agree with both of you in a way: it does keep faithful to the original as much as possible (i think the task presented itself as tremendously hard), but in a way it does not please me completely - would any change to that wondeful song ever accomplish that? Basically, i don't believe the original can be beaten or improved, with Suzanne's sensitive voice and lyrics with the cristal clear guitar. I somehow I separated in my mind the original from the new version . No matter in what form or shape, "Anniversary" is a real treasure and gift. It's sole presence in the new album is a great treat:)
    - Are you serious?
    - Yes, i am. I'm your guardian angel.
    - Amazing!I've never believed in that.Am i dead?
    - No. You're just hallucinating.
  • Re: Anniversary
    21597 in reply to 19002

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     Sun, Nov 18 2007, 11:52 AM

    a quote by novalis, from "novalis: fragments", about possibilities and time:

    "All reality has a before and an after -- both are possibilities. -- After is possibility. Before was possibility. In reality, though, all exist simultaneously."

    (errancy, the best anniversary possible) 

     

     


    chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
  • Re: Anniversary
    21610 in reply to 21597

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     Sun, Nov 18 2007, 10:27 PM

    Thanks Fatima,

    I am still wondering if the past and the future exist (just watched “1984” today). They exist simultaneously probably because of cause and effect law. Both are creation of our mind – because we name it and think of it. When we could lose ourselves into no mind, it would occur that they are no important. I wonder also if before was possibility or  is still. That's true also that sometimes possibility stay only reverie for us for ever.

    “Love is the only thing that matters, Love is the only thing that’s real”. Well, but not every love is perfect. It may be that our love is selfish, waiting for something in return, something to gain from it, waiting for reward, waiting for reflection in others like in the mirror. I am talking about love, which is part of spiritual life, besides compassion, forgiveness, and harmony. It seems to me that only such love is real, such love matters.

    be well,

    Anna Maria K. 

     


    "like a shadow, I am and I am not"
  • Re: Anniversary
    21626 in reply to 21610

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     Mon, Nov 19 2007, 11:00 AM

    hi anna,

    it was just amazing to me to find a german author who lived in the 18th century and who had the same vision of time that i have. according to him, and me Smile, before was *and* is possibility. and i believe it is because we look at time this way that past, present and future gain a different weight for us, a relative importance, which, in the end, dissolves itself into a minor importance, in the sense that we treasure the whole and its simultaneity, and look at its parts as having an equal value.

    don't know exactly why you quoted the opening lines of "ludlow street" but i agree that only the love that you describe last is the one that matters and the one suzanne refers to throughout "beauty & crime".

    love, fátima

     


    chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
  • Re: Anniversary
    21634 in reply to 21626

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     Mon, Nov 19 2007, 2:54 PM

    Hi Fatima,

    Yes, I understand clearer now what means time to you. Thanks. My reference to “Ludlow Street” wasn’t casual. For me “Anniversary” and “Ludlow Street” are connected in a special way. When “Anniversary” speaks about possibilities after loss (hope), “Ludlow Street” speaks about feeling after loss through sadness, through pain, through anger (?) (memories). Not anniversary itself is important, but feeling which it evokes. Sequence “Anniversary”, “Ludlow Street” shows possible change while looking at loss and tragedy. We know that "Anniversary" was inspired by 9/11 and "Ludlow Street" by personal loss. But somehow they are connected to me, I can say, it shows how a  tragedy transforms itself in personal feelings first of all, and  for future generations stays tragedy firstly for most people.

    Let me say this. It wasn't only reason why I talked about love here, but.... I said that past and future seems to me unimportant. In opposition I talked about love which exists in present. Love as example of feeling, which I wish, everyone were able to feel, which would be present all the time in our lives. We can’t safe love for future, we can’t feel it in the past. This is the shift in our hearts which is here and now as opposite to possibility. Love for people who passed away. And it was just opening for "Ludlow Street" which comes to my mind with "Anniversary" today.

    This is how I see time. Past (memories) and future (hope) are serving our present, but they shouldn’t have been important (as a subject) to us too much (activity at first or an aim, motivation and happiness is a case for another discussion). Just another meaning of "present" – "gift" :-)

     love, Anna Maria k


    "like a shadow, I am and I am not"
  • Re: Anniversary
    21635 in reply to 21634

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     Mon, Nov 19 2007, 4:41 PM

    hi anna,

    thanks for your explanation. actually, if you go to the "angel's doorway" thread (first post), you'll see how i connect this song with the ones you mention, and i don't think we're that far apart. also we've talked about hope and memories in the 'happy/sad songs' thread recently.

    you have a vision of time as a line: what comes before and after informs the present, which is, to you, the real "gift" of life. that's beautiful and i understand it. my vision of it is of a spiral (remember "within spirals of time"?) because i believe that we can't really separate things and feelings that clearly in our minds and hearts. for me, "anniversary" is before, now, and after, just like "ludlow street" is. our memory and our hope are always scanning our before, our now and our after, without any divisions. this is the way i feel it.

    and i end this post with an excerpt of a poem (by a portuguese author) i already translated here in its entirety. even so my memory and my hope require that i bring it from the before to the now again and throw it to the future:

    [...] "but we don't feel within the heart that we are
    the dear sons of time and that, if today we love,
    it was after we have loved yesterday.
    time is silent and enigmatic,
    dipped in the compact warmth of the womb.
    kept within silence so thick,
    time does and undoes life."

    much love, fátima

     


    chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
  • Re: Anniversary
    22095 in reply to 21635

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     Thu, Dec 27 2007, 11:37 AM
    spiritual exercise
     
    it must be said rose instead of saying idea
    it must be said blue instead of saying panther
    it must be said fever instead of saying innocence
    it must be said the world instead of saying one man
     
    it must be said chandelier instead of saying arcane
    it must be said Forever instead of saying Now
    it must be said The Day instead of saying One Year
    it must be said Maria instead of saying dawn
     
    -- mário cesariny (translated from the portuguese)
     
     
    ...when '08 is approaching i say rose to all on the tow...
    ...and i say Forever especially to the wilk family, anna k, errancy...
    ...and to suzanne's music...
     
     
    with all my love, fátima 
     
     

    chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
  • Re: Anniversary
    22096 in reply to 22095

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     Thu, Dec 27 2007, 11:53 AM

    ps: to all on the undertow i say blue too when the world seems to be imploding...

     


    chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
  • Re: Anniversary
    22101 in reply to 22096

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     Fri, Dec 28 2007, 12:29 PM
    a poem about the omnipresence of time (once again), the marks of its duration ("some journey"), its weight and its "lifting" possibilities in this far from innocent world:  
     
     
    Evolution
     
    One's nakedness is very slow.
    One calls to it, one wastes one's sympathy.
    Comparison, too, is very slow.
    Where is the past?
    I sense that we should keep this coming.
    Something like joy rivulets along the sand.
    I insists that we "go in." We go in.
    One cannot keep all of it. What is enough
    of it. And keep? -- I am being swept away --
    what is keep? A waking good.
    Visibility blocking the view.
    Although we associate the manifest with kindness.
    The way it goes where it goes, slight downslope.
    Like the word "suddenly," the incline it causes.
    Also the eye's wild joy sucked down the slope the minutes wave
                                                                             by wave
    pack down and slick.
    The journey -- some journey -- visits one.
    The journey -- some journey -- visits me.
    Then this downslope once again.
    And how it makes what happens
               always more heavily
    laden, this self only able to sink (albeit also lifting
                                                            as in a
    sudden draught) into the future. Our future. Where everyone
    is patient. Where all the sentences come to complete themselves.
    Where what wants to be human still won't show
                                                           its face.
     
    -- Jorie Graham
     
     
     

    chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
  • Re: Anniversary
    22105 in reply to 22101

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     Sat, Dec 29 2007, 3:22 AM

    Fátima, thanks for sharing these interesting poems, and as always, for Your special analysis and reasoning about Suzanne's songs!

    best wishes,

    Zoli 

  • Re: Anniversary
    22107 in reply to 22105

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     Sat, Dec 29 2007, 10:29 AM

    So many days until loss of breath

    Until loss of breath so many days

    When you regret those you have nothing from

    One is worth to know, one you should know

     

    That important are all these days, these days we don't know yet

    Important are these few moments, we are waiting for

     

    Someone well-known who has hause and orchard

    In one day has lost his sens and was doing wrong

    Though fortune's gone, he was honest man

    He explained to himself those days that

     

    Important are  all these days, these days we don't know yet

    Important are these few moments, we are waiting for

     

    How to recognize those who we don't know yet?

    How to pick up thought, those unfolded yet?

    How to differ now heart from your mind?

    How to hear ourselves ina crowd's choir?

     

    How to recognize those who we don't know yet?

    How to pick up thoughts, those unfolded yet?

    How to find our happiness and joy?

     

    Look for the answer, there's a lot of time

     

    Important are all these days, these we don't know yet

    Important are these few momemnts, these we are waiting for.

     

    Marek Grechuta

     

    be well my friends, little pony which can be kind and kick sometimes. ;-)

     

    All the best for the New Year coming

     yours

    Anna Maria K.


    "like a shadow, I am and I am not"
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