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Anniversary
Last post Sat, Dec 29 2007, 10:29 AM by anku. 55 replies.
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Joined on 04-24-2006
Tokyo, Japan
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Tue, Jul 17 2007, 6:52 PM
Whenever a song is remixed or musically enhanced, the results will always create a disparity of opinions. I basically agree with both of you in a way: it does keep faithful to the original as much as possible (i think the task presented itself as tremendously hard), but in a way it does not please me completely - would any change to that wondeful song ever accomplish that? Basically, i don't believe the original can be beaten or improved, with Suzanne's sensitive voice and lyrics with the cristal clear guitar. I somehow I separated in my mind the original from the new version . No matter in what form or shape, "Anniversary" is a real treasure and gift. It's sole presence in the new album is a great treat:)
- Are you serious? - Yes, i am. I'm your guardian angel. - Amazing!I've never believed in that.Am i dead? - No. You're just hallucinating.
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Joined on 08-28-2006
gaia, portugal
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Sun, Nov 18 2007, 11:52 AM
a quote by novalis, from "novalis: fragments", about possibilities and time: "All reality
has a before and an after -- both are possibilities. -- After is
possibility. Before was possibility. In reality, though, all exist
simultaneously." (errancy, the best anniversary possible)
chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
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Sun, Nov 18 2007, 10:27 PM
Thanks Fatima, I am still wondering if the past and the future exist (just watched “1984” today). They exist simultaneously probably because of cause and effect law. Both are creation of our mind – because we name it and think of it. When we could lose ourselves into no mind, it would occur that they are no important. I wonder also if before was possibility or is still. That's true also that sometimes possibility stay only reverie for us for ever. “Love is the only thing that matters, Love is the only thing that’s real”. Well, but not every love is perfect. It may be that our love is selfish, waiting for something in return, something to gain from it, waiting for reward, waiting for reflection in others like in the mirror. I am talking about love, which is part of spiritual life, besides compassion, forgiveness, and harmony. It seems to me that only such love is real, such love matters. be well, Anna Maria K.
"like a shadow, I am and I am not"
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Joined on 08-28-2006
gaia, portugal
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Mon, Nov 19 2007, 11:00 AM
hi anna, it was just amazing to me to find a german author who
lived in the 18th century and who had the same vision of time that i have.
according to him, and me , before was *and* is possibility. and i
believe it is because we look at time this way that past, present and
future gain a different weight for us, a relative importance, which, in
the end, dissolves itself into a minor importance, in the sense that we
treasure the whole and its simultaneity, and look at its parts as
having an equal value. don't know exactly why you quoted the
opening lines of "ludlow street" but i agree that only the love that
you describe last is the one that matters and the one suzanne refers to
throughout "beauty & crime". love, fátima
chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
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Mon, Nov 19 2007, 2:54 PM
Hi Fatima, Yes, I understand clearer now what means time to you. Thanks. My reference to “Ludlow Street” wasn’t casual. For me “Anniversary” and “Ludlow Street” are connected in a special way. When “Anniversary” speaks about possibilities after loss (hope), “Ludlow Street” speaks about feeling after loss through sadness, through pain, through anger (?) (memories). Not anniversary itself is important, but feeling which it evokes. Sequence “Anniversary”, “Ludlow Street” shows possible change while looking at loss and tragedy. We know that "Anniversary" was inspired by 9/11 and "Ludlow Street" by personal loss. But somehow they are connected to me, I can say, it shows how a tragedy transforms itself in personal feelings first of all, and for future generations stays tragedy firstly for most people. Let me say this. It wasn't only reason why I talked about love here, but.... I said that past and future seems to me unimportant. In opposition I talked about love which exists in present. Love as example of feeling, which I wish, everyone were able to feel, which would be present all the time in our lives. We can’t safe love for future, we can’t feel it in the past. This is the shift in our hearts which is here and now as opposite to possibility. Love for people who passed away. And it was just opening for "Ludlow Street" which comes to my mind with "Anniversary" today. This is how I see time. Past (memories) and future (hope) are serving our present, but they shouldn’t have been important (as a subject) to us too much (activity at first or an aim, motivation and happiness is a case for another discussion). Just another meaning of "present" – "gift" :-) love, Anna Maria k
"like a shadow, I am and I am not"
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Joined on 08-28-2006
gaia, portugal
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Mon, Nov 19 2007, 4:41 PM
hi anna, thanks for your explanation. actually, if you go to
the "angel's doorway" thread (first post), you'll see how i connect
this song with the ones you mention, and i don't think we're that far
apart. also we've talked about hope and memories in the 'happy/sad
songs' thread recently. you have a vision of time as a line: what
comes before and after informs the present, which is, to you, the real
"gift" of life. that's beautiful and i understand it. my vision of it
is of a spiral (remember "within spirals of time"?) because i believe
that we can't really separate things and feelings that clearly in our
minds and hearts. for me, "anniversary" is before, now, and after, just
like "ludlow street" is. our memory and our hope are always scanning
our before, our now and our after, without any divisions. this is the
way i feel it. and i end this post with an excerpt of a poem (by
a portuguese author) i already translated here in its entirety. even so
my memory and my hope require that i bring it from the before to the
now again and throw it to the future: [...] "but we don't feel within the heart that we are
the dear sons of time and
that, if today we love,
it was after we have loved yesterday.
time is
silent and enigmatic,
dipped in the compact warmth of the womb.
kept
within silence so thick,
time does and undoes life." much love, fátima
chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
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Joined on 08-28-2006
gaia, portugal
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Thu, Dec 27 2007, 11:37 AM
spiritual exercise
it must be said rose instead of saying
idea
it must be said blue instead of saying
panther
it must be said fever instead of saying
innocence
it must be said the world instead of saying one
man
it must be said chandelier instead of saying
arcane
it must be said Forever instead of saying
Now
it must be said The Day instead of saying One
Year
it must be said Maria instead of saying
dawn
-- mário cesariny (translated from the
portuguese)
...when '08 is approaching i
say rose to all on the tow...
...and i say Forever especially to the wilk family,
anna k, errancy...
...and to suzanne's music...
with all my love, fátima
chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
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Joined on 08-28-2006
gaia, portugal
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Thu, Dec 27 2007, 11:53 AM
ps: to all on the undertow i say blue too when the world seems to be imploding...
chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
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Joined on 08-28-2006
gaia, portugal
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Fri, Dec 28 2007, 12:29 PM
a poem about the omnipresence of time (once again),
the marks of its duration ("some journey"), its weight and its "lifting" possibilities in this far from innocent
world:
Evolution
One's nakedness is very slow.
One calls to it, one wastes one's
sympathy.
Comparison, too, is very slow.
Where is the past?
I sense that we should keep this
coming.
Something like joy rivulets along the
sand.
I insists that we "go in." We go
in.
One cannot keep all of it. What is
enough
of it. And keep? -- I am being swept away
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what is keep? A waking good.
Visibility blocking the view.
Although we associate the manifest with
kindness.
The way it goes where it goes, slight
downslope.
Like the word "suddenly," the incline it
causes.
Also the eye's wild joy sucked down the slope the
minutes wave
by wave
pack down and slick.
The journey -- some journey -- visits
one.
The journey -- some journey -- visits
me.
Then this downslope once again.
And how it makes what happens
always more heavily
laden, this self only able to sink (albeit also
lifting
as
in a
sudden draught) into the future. Our
future. Where everyone
is patient. Where all the sentences come to
complete themselves.
Where what wants to be human still won't
show
its
face.
-- Jorie Graham
chance is the only thing that doesn't happen by chance
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Joined on 03-25-2007
Budapest, Hungary
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Sat, Dec 29 2007, 3:22 AM
Fátima, thanks for sharing these interesting poems, and as always, for Your special analysis and reasoning about Suzanne's songs! best wishes, Zoli
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Sat, Dec 29 2007, 10:29 AM
So many days until loss of breath Until loss of breath so many days When you regret those you have nothing from One is worth to know, one you should know That important are all these days, these days we don't know yet Important are these few moments, we are waiting for Someone well-known who has hause and orchard In one day has lost his sens and was doing wrong Though fortune's gone, he was honest man He explained to himself those days that Important are all these days, these days we don't know yet Important are these few moments, we are waiting for How to recognize those who we don't know yet? How to pick up thought, those unfolded yet? How to differ now heart from your mind? How to hear ourselves ina crowd's choir? How to recognize those who we don't know yet? How to pick up thoughts, those unfolded yet? How to find our happiness and joy? Look for the answer, there's a lot of time Important are all these days, these we don't know yet Important are these few momemnts, these we are waiting for. Marek Grechuta be well my friends, little pony which can be kind and kick sometimes. ;-) All the best for the New Year coming yours Anna Maria K.
"like a shadow, I am and I am not"
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