What an amusing thread :-) I love that song, always have. My fave line" "It doesn't matter to me/which side of the line/you happen to be" Am I gay? No, not at the moment, but definitely when I was younger, I thought of myself as "asexual" and was very dubious of sexual urges. I was trying to be like on of my favorite sci-fi character, one Marc Remillard!!...which is a story I weon't bore you with...Sound silly? Probably was, but I turned out (haha) Ok! :-) I like Pat's analysis best, "This song is one from a very boyish girl to a very girlish boy". Thats kinda how I always thought of it, though yes I agree that is about a sex change operation on the surface as well. Just my 2 cents folks!!

I'm sorry, so you turned out "(ha ha) OK!" but you used to be gay. So by OK you mean Hetero or straight? I used to be straight, but now I'm " ( ha ha) OK! as well. By "(ha ha ) OK!" I mean gay.

ha ha - that's funny.

But are you talking 'funny ha ha' or 'funny peculiar'?

Deep philosophical questions these.

Actually, I drove past a ha-ha yesterday. It was there but I couldn't see it. More philosophy.

Chris

*lol* Kenny and Chris...no Kenny, I was never really gay in the first place. A bit confused maybe. Actually sorry if you thought I meant its only "Ok' to be straight!!!!!! Not what I meant at all. I was about as sexual as a tree-trunk till I met my first girl-friend at about 22!!! It's still an area where I am at my weakest. This sure is an interesting thread, and to think, this all started because of a Suzanne song!!!!! And what a song it is!

I'm really disturbed how people seem to confuse femininity and asexuality with homosexuality/lesbianity/gaythingy/bisexuality/wha teversexuality.

Spikey,
There is a whole spectrum of human kind and there are various types of folks, those that "fit the profile" and those where "the exception proves the rule". If you can distiguish between indigo and purple, well. But, do give the person that has a hard time telling yellow from green a break.
Uncwilly
Song of the spring-forward day: Casa abandonada, Julieta Venegas
Cheese: Lappi

I meant homosexuality/lesbianity/gaythingy/bisexuality/wha teversexuality as one category here, though for example bisexuals differ from heterosexuals as much as they differ from homosexuals. But those are "People who don't fit the profile". This category has not anything to with femininity (how do you spell that :D) or asexuality.

Femininity: What culture defines as more feminine than masculine
Asexuality: Not sensitive to sexual stimulation or not having a gender
Homosexuality: romantical and erotical attraction to the same sex
Bisexuality: romantical and erotical attraction to both sexes

Stereotypcial gay men may be more feminine than other guys, and with those people it's immediately obvious. The average gay is no more feminine or androgenous than other guys; although it seems hard to believe. Sometimes you can tell if someone is gay or lesbian when he or she walks down the street. But behind him or her might walk the most normal person in the world, and you wouldn't even consider. This creates a bias "all gays are feminine, and you can see immediately if someone is gay" while this is untrue.

Also, sexual stimulation works the same among everyone (except for gender differences), so asexuality has not ANYTHING to do with homosexuality.

thanks for the "lesson" dude!! Are we meant to be taking notes!!! *lol*

EHR....no you don't have to cause it's online here now so if you forget you can just go here

Cool dude!!!! I actually mostly agree with you, but then again, my knowledge of that whole area isn't that great, so I'll take your word for it!!!!

Try living in Illinois, Spikey! Around here, all you have to do is miss a TV football game and the macho-squad comes by to sew pink triangles on all your shirts. Beleive me, I empathize with anybody who feels the bite of predjudice.

-Pat

I hate Illinois Nazis!

Patrick wrote:
[Try living in Illinois, Spikey! Around here, all you have to do is miss a TV football game and the macho-squad comes by to sew pink triangles on all your shirts. Beleive me, I empathize with anybody who feels the bite of predjudice.]

Oh it wouldn't affect me then, I never miss a football game! But I'll stay in the Netherlands anyway. I believe it's the best that way

I feel for anyone who has to live in fear of being labeled in a pejorative light...however accurate that label may be to the person's true self, when it is applied maliciously it usually lower's one self-esteem and even can trivialize one's identity.

I think why some LGBTQ people (of which I am one)
"act stereotypically" is to identify themselves to others to preclude any awkwardness, especially when it comes to dating. It also is a stamp of pride, in most cases at least. I mean, society is such that labels are needed (quite unfortunately!) and so that others can recognize people who are like them, they need to use stereotypes. If most gay guys "acted sterotypicall straight" it might be hard to form a community. Of course it is largely because of homophobia that a strong community needs to be formed in the first place! What a vicious cycle.
Sorry to have ended this on a somewhat down note. Any flaming thoughts?

Sean

I almost must say that this applies even more fiercely with guys than with woman, perhaps because the standard male gender role can be so limiting and confining. It is almost as though a rigid masculinity and heterosexuality are bound and interwoven. It is socially constructed but has gotten to the point where the connection seems innate. Any deviation from the gender role of masculinity implies a deviation from heterosexuality. But what about sensitive non-gay guys, and then bi guys are caught in the middle of not having many stereotypes at all really. And those pesky metrosexuals...where can they fit in? It's odd that lovely term has the suffix "sexual" attached to it when it really is about gender after all!

Sean