Did you know that the herb Rosemary means 'remember me'?

Kind of logical since the single is called Rosemary Remember me
I didn't know it.

spikey

Hello everyone!

This is from Shakespeare "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance"

Middle English rosmarine from Latin rosmarinus from ror-, ros dew + marinus of the sea, perhaps because of its small blue flowers. The change in spelling came about by association with ROSE and the name Mary, either from or giving rise to the legend that the Virgin Mary washed her robe and hung it on rosemary bush to dry; the dye ran and colored the flowers.
(Penguin Dictionary)

be well

Anna Maria K.

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"like a shadow, I am and I am not"

Hello Anna;

Do you know from which play or sonnet is that Shakespeare's line from?

take care;

Zeynep

> Posted by Zeynep (Zeynep) on Monday, May 12, 2003 - 12:30 pm: > > Hello Anna; > > Do you know from which play or sonnet is that Shakespeare's line from?

Hamlet, Act IV, Scene V

remember me,

philipp

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I hadn't heard this until I got RetroSpective... (about a week or so after its release) and i love it... I think it's one of my favorites... I can really relate to the wanting to be remembered.

It's great isn't it? You should get the single with all those remixes...!

So, I've been brought to musings on memory and what we remember...
Is it safe to say that we will remember things if they are important enough, though maybe not remember all things important enough?
Getting a little mixed up... Hmm..

Let's see. I guess what I'm wondering... If you can't remember it, is it not unimportant?
I guess it doesn't work that way... maybe we only remember things when they matter...
Okay, if you forget something you once knew, maybe it has lost its importance to you in this new time of your life? It's not that it was never important, it just has lost its place in your life... Hm.
Or maybe you're simply suffering from memory lapses... caused by age or disease...but other than that...?
ah, never mind. i'm not sure where i was going with this.

So, Rosemary is related to the Virgin Mary in some ways, so there is a path to It makes me wonder, too?

Hi,

In Australia, we consider Rosemary as the herb of rememberance. Kind of figures since the scent is unforgetable.

Rememberance in this case is around those who have died for a cause - usually war -

Rob.

>I think somewhere on the top of this board someone... someone says something about Rosemary being for remembrance... In a Shakespeare line...Hamlet? Something like that...my memory escapes me. (go figure)

The tradition of Rosemary's mystical meaning remembrance might very well be much older than the Shakespeare line.

yeah, you're right...just making the connection. :-)

Hi,

I just heard Rosemary for the very first time and I was wondering about the lyrics. This sounds like a stupid question, but I was told there's no such thing as a stupid question, so here we go:

Is there some sort of thread, an overall story that links the verses?

Suzanne starts off with asking someone if he remembered a certain day. Then she goes on to how she met him and what might become of them.

Is there any connection to the chorus?

And what about the third verse when she starts singing about her sister? Where is the link?

I mean, I really, really love this song and maybe I just don't know the story behind it. Could someone tell me maybe?

Another thing about this song is that it kind of leaves me with a feeling of melancholy. I'm not sure, but somehow being remembered isn't enough, because to me it goes without saying that I remember people who were once close to me - even if I've only known them for a few days.
It would feel strange to ask someone to remember me. And if all someone asked me were to remember him or her I guess I would be hurt.
Either because I would have high hopes to make it a lasting friendship or because it is something you don't need to ask. It goes without saying.

But I guess that's my very personal view - and we'll never figure out what Suzanne really thought of while writing this song. And also - I guess we're all different and handle things differently.

Cheers,
Annika

Haven't written for a time, but I'll just jump in!
Firstly, best wishes for a complete recovery to Glynn! How scary it must have been!

Second, my .02 on Rosemary:
From this song I feel a sense of real maturity. People meet all the time, and sometimes they click, others rub the wrong way, and some are more or less neutral. It sounds like here there was a BIG click, a feeling of, well, possibilities. But the reality of life in this world is that you can't always be where you want, with whom you want, when you want. That's where the link is with Suzanne's sister:

"My sister says she never dreams at night
There are days when I know why"

This to me signifies the "down" part, when it doesn't seem worth it to dream, or perhaps that it will never happen, so why bother.

"Those possibilities within her sight
with no way of coming true
'cause some things just don't get through
Into this world,
Although they try"

Dreams are another way of ideas/actions coming into fruition. Even then the ideas people may have can't find expression, not in the external world, not in the internal landscape of dreams.

So even tho we may WANT a relationship, another place to live, another lifestyle, sometimes it just CAN'T work - I think that's where memory can come in. At least there is a memory of the feelings, of the emotions involved - that if looked at with a positive eye can be satisfying. That's why I think this song is so "Grown Up" - because it acknowledges that things can't go "my way" always, lets make do and realize that memory is really powerful, it doesn't just have to make do. It's the stuff of songs and daydreams, even if it isn't reality.

O.K. now back down to earth, and to work, and the external machinations of life. I am glad that there can be such interludes discussing such deep songs as this one, "Rosemary" It is definitely among my very very favorite songs.

Take care 'tow!

Miriam K.

"So even tho we may WANT a relationship, another place to live, another lifestyle, sometimes it just CAN'T work - I think that's where memory can come in. At least there is a memory of the feelings, of the emotions involved - that if looked at with a positive eye can be satisfying. That's why I think this song is so 'Grown Up' - because it acknowledges that things can't go 'my way' always, lets make do and realize that memory is really powerful, it doesn't just have to make do. It's the stuff of songs and daydreams, even if it isn't reality. "

Yeah, I guess you're right and I realize that you can't have everything 'your way'. And in that way this song certainly is very mature.
I wasn't saying in my other post that everything has to go my way. It's just that...I have very high ideals when it comes to friendship, which is not to be confused with expectations here.
When it comes to relationships, I am very serious about them - but this is part of my reversed nature.
Maybe it's the experience I lack. But even if I had a romance which couldn't become a relationship because of circumstances, I wouldn't ask someone to remember me - it would go without saying. (sorry if I repeat myself...)

Cheers,
Annika