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     Fri, Mar 05 2004, 8:52 PM
    This song is great in any respect,This was the song which made me look for other songs of Suzanne, I think it's a good introducer of the acoustic aspect of her,there's a kind of purity and honesty in her voice which is very effective and unique and can't be found in any other's.I realy never get satisfied of hearing it and each time it sounds as if it's telling a new story.
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     Tue, Mar 09 2004, 1:49 AM
    Yes, when this song is done only with acoustics, it really really really stands out. I know people will start throwing stones, but I like this one more than "The Queen and the Soldier". (However, I like "Marching Dream" even more than "Knight Moves", and I group them all together as a trilogy because in a very early review of Suzanne by one of her first and foremost critics, that critic formed them together as a triptych and it all makes sense).

    Anyway, yes, either way it's a great song. And I certainly like the main female character in this song more than the nasty main female b**** in TQATS. This one actually cares and has vulnerability. Actually, the line "she would rather be a riddle, but she keeps challenging the future with a profound lack of history" was something paraphrased from something that an acquaintance/friend of Suzanne's once said about her. So, maybe Suzanne is the Queen whose one false move makes this song?

    In any event, yes, this is a WONDERFUL song.

    -Milo/Will
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     Tue, Mar 09 2004, 7:51 AM
    "Watch while the queen
    In one false move
    Turns herself into a pawn"

    As a chess player I was puzzled for years about these lines. How can this ever come?
    Was there a secret rule I didn't know, something like en passant? I wondered, stubborn, blind-folded.

    But one day it just happens to happen.

    The way the game goes. In chess and in life.

    Turns you into a pawn, just by one false move. And never forgives.


    "One side stone \ One side fire \ Standing alone among all men's desire."

    ***

    If there weren't "Language" this would be my SV no 1.
    IMO the "fastest" song Suzanne has ever written. I love to listen to it whilst heading down nightly alleyways. Just sweeps away puzzling thoughts and doubts and things. When I heard it live at her concerts I always Knew what I was unsure of before.

    "... watching while the blurry night
    Turns into a very clear dawn"

    And in the end, I always have to say:

    "Yes".

    -k

    Songs of the moment: Flattened Brain, Everybody Lies. Leo Kottke

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     Tue, Mar 09 2004, 5:39 PM
    William, you said:

    However, I like "Marching Dream" even more than "Knight Moves", and I group them all together as a trilogy because in a very early review of Suzanne by one of her first and foremost critics, that critic formed them together as a triptych and it all makes sense).

    I don't know who the critic is, but Suzanne said it herself many times in the beginning of her career when she was still singing "The Marching Dream" live. So the critic was simply repeating that.

    Hope this helps.

    José Carlos
    (who, for those who forgot it, is the founder of "The Marching Dream" fanclub)
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     Tue, Mar 09 2004, 5:54 PM
    i agree that "marching dream", "the queen and the soldier" and "knight moves" form a triptych (acknowledged by suzanne herself) and this is its sequence. what unites them, to me, is the fact that they're about, directly or indirectly (in the case of "knight moves"), the same character, someone with authority, and the same theme, power, viewed in different perspectives and circumstances.

    "marching dream" is about the all embracing wish of power, "the queen and the soldier" underlines the confinement and solitude it can create through what it demands, and "knight moves" shows its vulnerability. and if you go to "the passionate eye" and look at the chapter (my own word here, but what i mean are the divisions created by the inclusion of suzanne's handwriting as a shadow in selected songs/poems) that begins
    with "the queen and the soldier", you have "the marching dream" immediately before, then "silver and magic" (a poem), "knight moves" and three more poems, "the abdication", "dinner" and "command", where the figure of the queen and/or what it represents emerge. and in all of them is at the role and play of power over people (everyone, including those who have it) suzanne is looking at, in various perspectives, as usual.

    with affection,
    fatima
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     Tue, Mar 16 2004, 12:22 AM
    Okay, here is the original review of that trilogy or triptych of "Marching Dream", "TQATS", and "Knight Moves". This is WAY early in her career. At least a couple of years before her eponymous debut. Here it is:

    http://www.vega.net/ffrose.htm
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     Sat, Mar 20 2004, 1:30 AM
    Klaus caused his electronic slave to emit:
    ======================
    "Watch while the queen
    In one false move
    Turns herself into a pawn"

    As a chess player I was puzzled for years about these lines. How can this ever come?
    Was there a secret rule I didn't know, something like en passant?
    ======================

    Yeah, just when you get a novice to belive that castling is a real chess move, then you spring en passant on them.

    Well I see it as multi-faceted idea...

    The Queen in false move (an indiscretion) turns herself into a pawn (a slave of love). If the Queen is not discrete in her affairs (keeping them hidden from the outside world) or is not reserved (never enjoining in affairs of the heart) she takes herself to the level of a commoner (ruled only by lusts). - Think of the movie Mrs. Brown
    Or she could in one false move (from the external view) turn herself (intentionally so) into a pawn (the commoner). The Queen by choice abandons the royalty to live a life full of love and passion, turning her back on the politics and power trips. - Think of King Edward VIII leaving the throne for Mrs. Wallis Simpson (a commoner, an American, and worst of all a divorcee) "the woman I love".

    Lastly the chess reference that you were searching for. A pawn having moved all the way across the board gets transmorgaphied into a Queen, bishop, or what have you. The journey of difficulty is rewarded by promotion. The reversal of this is what may be spoken of. Consider, The Queen has The Soldier destroyed. She has turned herslef into a pawn, she acts on base emotion (fear) and reacts in a base way (kill the threat to the way of life).

    Uncwilly (with my 0.0157 Euro)
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    Cheese for now: Rubens
  • Re: Knight Moves
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     Sat, Mar 20 2004, 6:20 AM
    Wow Uncwilly!

    Damn, it’s six in the morning, I shouldn’t download the tow mail before going to bed.
    Want to give you a decent answer but can’t keep my eyes open.
    Now I guess I will dream about a chess game Harry Potter kind with Suzanne’s queen doing what you just described...

    See you soon, one of these days

    -klaus

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     Fri, Sep 09 2005, 11:05 PM
    i love that song. it's a shame i have never heard it performed live, i'm sure it would sound awesome. i specially love the section "and if you wonder what i'm doing - as i'm heading for the sink - ...". it's beautiful.

    my favourite suzanne's song is 'left of center' but 'knight moves' is close second.
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     Sat, Sep 10 2005, 5:16 AM
    That's my favorite section of the song, too, chema!!!

    I have never noticed you here before. In any event, WELCOME TO THE TOW!

    -M
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     Wed, Nov 09 2005, 1:29 PM
    I just heard this song performed live by Suzanne on the Montreaux DVD. WOW! I was not familiar with it and agree with others that it is an amazing piece.

    Susan
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     Thu, Jan 19 2006, 8:36 PM
    I've already ordered my Montreux DVD but shipping to Turkey takes a lot of time, so I'm still waiting.
    The first song that I'll watch on the DVD when I get it will be Knight Moves.
    I'm so curious about it's live performance and I'm sure it is breathtaking.

    luv;

    Z
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     Thu, Jan 19 2006, 10:51 PM
    Don't forget Room off the Street. It's very. Awesome. Room off the Street > Everything else.

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     Thu, Jan 26 2006, 10:02 AM
    William wrote:

    Okay, here is the original review of that trilogy or triptych of "Marching Dream", "TQATS", and "Knight Moves". This is WAY early in her career. At least a couple of years before her eponymous debut. Here it is:

    http://www.vega.net/ffrose.htm


    When I'm trying to open this link I get an error page. Has anyone any idea where this review can be found?

    Cheers,
    Annika
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     Fri, Jan 27 2006, 3:38 AM
    Here is the textual content of the file in question (http://www.vega.net/ffrose.htm):

    Suzanne Vega: Three Songs
    By Brian Rose
    1982

    This is an article from the autumn of 1982, the first year of "The CooP, the
    Fast Folk Musical Magazine." I was editing the written part of the record/magazine,
    and Jack Hardy, the initiator of the project, was in charge of the recordings.
    Most of my articles from that time were divided between light humor (a piece
    about my first performance) and ponderous attempts at definition (a piece about
    the so-called literary song).

    The following article, unfortunately, fits more in the latter category, but it
    may nevertheless be of interest to some since it is probably the first serious
    thing written about Suzanne Vega and her songs. This was a couple of years
    before the New York Times first reviewed one of her concerts, and well before
    her debut album on A&M.

    I cringe now at my use of the word trilogy to describe the three songs written
    about in the article. While it's true that the songs fit together thematically
    with broad-brushed medieval images of battlefields, knights and palaces, etc., I
    don't see any reason for forcing them into a construct that Suzanne, I'm sure,
    never thought about. I do take some satisfaction, however, in that I recognized
    "Tom's Diner" as breaking new ground in Suzanne's writing. I still appreciate it
    for its "whimsy and sagacity."

    Suzanne Vega: Three Songs
    By Brian Rose

    There are few young songwriters whose work is developed enough to stand much
    close analysis. Suzanne Vega, a twenty-three year old New Yorker, is a notable
    exception. Several of her songs have been included in past issues of The CooP: "Calypso,"
    "Cracking," "Gypsy," and "Knight Moves."

    "Knight Moves" is one song of a trilogy that is essentially concerned with the
    battle of the sexes and a quest for individual revelation. The first song of the
    trilogy, "Marching Dream," sets the mythic stage on which all three songs take
    place: "I have dreamed that many men have marched across this field." In this
    song, Vega seeks to project the mundane failures of personal relationships onto
    a screen of epic and noble proportions. "I have wished that I could hear each
    secret told by lovers in the battle with each shade of red and gold." She dreams
    of "all men's arms," and wishes to read "the secret writing there" in hopes of
    finding an answer to some unnamed burden of self. The wistful desire expressed
    in the song is amplified by a lovely melody that almost seems to float on air.
    The song closes with the word "listening" repeated several times, but silence
    and loneliness is the implied response.

    The centerpiece of the trilogy is "The Queen and the Soldier," a sweeping
    landscape of a song in which the soldier presents himself before the young queen
    "for whom we all kill." The scene between the two characters is drawn with klieg
    light clarity--a knock on the door, the soldier states his intention to quit the
    battle, and she slowly lets him inside. The sexual implications are obvious as
    she leads him down the "long narrow hall" into her room with red tapestries. The
    soldier seeks an explanation for the battle raging outside. He attempts to crack
    the queen's royal veneer. In a moment of weakness she almost succumbs to his
    forthrightness, but out of fear and shame, she turns him away to be killed. The
    queen, an austere figure of poignant suffering, will not or cannot reveal the
    source of her suffering. We are left with nothing more than an opaque reference
    to a "secret burning thread."

    The narrative moves briskly, carried on the waves of a waltz melody of exquisite
    beauty. Vega's singing conveys child-like innocence and world weariness
    simultaneously. She accompanies herself on the guitar with simple arpeggios that
    abruptly give way to a rhythmic plucking of the chords in the last verse. "Out
    in the distance her order was heard." The staccato picking quickens the dramatic
    tempo as the soldier is killed.

    The cruelty of the queen's act is made all the more horrifying by her unyielding
    resistance to her own conscience and the offers of sympathy, even love, from the
    soldier. As he is killed and she goes on "strangling in the solitude she
    preferred," the song fades out quickly, leaving the listener with unreconcilable
    feelings of sorrow and anger.

    It is clear that "The Queen and the Soldier" is a self-referential song despite
    its broadly stroked cartoon mythology. Vega is or allows herself to become the
    queen. It is difficult to ascertain to what extent she is indicting herself--the
    mythic nature of the song allows for the revelation of forbidden emotions that
    bore to the heart of relations between men and women. Ultimately, the triumph of
    the song is the queen's refusal to bend, regardless of the horror of the
    situation. Vega does not let the queen fall into the arms of the gallant soldier,
    but neither is the queen allowed to find unjust freedom in her rejection of him.
    "The battle continued on..."

    In "Knight Moves," the queen "in one false move turns herself into a pawn." Is
    she falling in love? It isn't clear. "One side stone one side fire standing
    alone among all men's desire." The rapid strumming at the end of "The Queen and
    the Soldier" is repeated throughout "Knight Moves," but the baroque ballad style
    is replaced with a syncopated "modern" melody. After each verse the chorus asks
    the queen, "Do you love any, can you love one." By the end of the song, the
    constant accusations of the chorus become ridicule. "Walk on her blind side was
    the answer to the joke." In the first and last verses the "blurry night turns
    into a very clear dawn," but no image of an epiphany is revealed, and the song
    ends with the harping questions of the chorus.

    Although these songs were not written specifically as a trilogy, they form a
    discreet unit within Vega's repertoire. As a single statement this trilogy is
    best described as a cycle of three songs since there is no true resolution
    offered thematically or musically. Since its completion last year, she has
    written one song in particular that breaks new ground, "Tom's Diner," an a
    cappella piece of whimsy and sagacity.

    There's a woman
    On the outside
    Looking inside
    Does she see me?
    No, she does not really see me
    'Cause she sees her own reflection.

    For the time being, Suzanne Vega "would rather be a riddle."
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